Tier Hacks

[Jhaulotte]

Wait...do people actually stand at a roulette table and play red and black at the same time? First off, that's got to be extremely boring. Second, casinos know that the person doing it is just doing it to abuse comp earnings and will probably note that on your account and actually reduce your offers.

That would be absolute hell. And yes casinos are not stupid

[NoahRam]

They're more likely to simply kick you out or refuse comps lol.

[gingerbread]

They're more likely to simply kick you out or refuse comps lol.

I assume you were referring to: "Wait...do people actually stand at a roulette table and play red and black at the same time? ..."

I don't see why a casino would mind a person doing this (just like I can't imagine why you would do this). If you do it, you are guaranteeing that you'll give the casino the expected house edge. You'll never win money. You'll usually be even on each spin, occasionally losing everything. You've become a reliable cash machine for the casino.

[Chuck]

The only way I found to work the system has nothing to do with gambling. Book a big block of rooms under your account and have everyone else pay you. You can land a better room rate for everyone and rackup big time tier credits for yourself in the process.

[WT661]

They're more likely to simply kick you out or refuse comps lol.

I assume you were referring to: "Wait...do people actually stand at a roulette table and play red and black at the same time? ..."

I don't see why a casino would mind a person doing this (just like I can't imagine why you would do this). If you do it, you are guaranteeing that you'll give the casino the expected house edge. You'll never win money. You'll usually be even on each spin, occasionally losing everything. You've become a reliable cash machine for the casino.

Not 100% sure but I assume that the Pit Bosses wont even count you as a player if you do that, so you wont even get any rating at all as a players card user. Even though the house has the 5.6% advantage with the Zeros, why would a pit boss even rate that. Maybe they will since they know its still a legitimate bet and they still have the edge.

[WT661]

The only way I found to work the system has nothing to do with gambling. Book a big block of rooms under your account and have everyone else pay you. You can land a better room rate for everyone and rackup big time tier credits for yourself in the process.

Thats if you even actually pay for your room and not get comps.

Here's what people forget to see. The Tier Credits dont really mean much. You can be platinum and have a not so great Theoretical rating. Basically the way comps are calculated arent on your Tier Credits. Its your Theo or your average play. So lets say you got platinum 225,000 tier credits, but 200,000 of that would be from Food and lodging points. Basically you have a low play. As a platinum member, you may get the Plat tier discounts which is I believe 20% off casino rates at MGM. But Gold and up already get the same discount anyway. Pearl gets 5% I believe.

So basically the calculation of comps is based on how much you play and how long. Lets say as a slot player, you play 30min a day for 30 days with $100. You will probably get better rating if you gambled $3000 in 15hours in 1 or 2 days.

Also in slots, there is a "coin in" total. Lets say you have a bankroll of $500 a day to play on slots. You turn over that $500 up and down for a few hours and the actual coin in may end up being $10-15,000. That type of play will get you the tier credits, points and a good comp calculation overall.

For a table player, the only way you can really get recognized is if you are betting big hands. $25-50 per hand at least. Thats how you get your Tier Credit and rating up. Anything less than that flies under the radar for most pit bosses and it doesnt even make a dent on or even get recognized for your Tier credits.

Basically, those tier levels are basically for what color card you will have. It doesnt really reflect on what type of comps you get.

[Chuck]

The only way I found to work the system has nothing to do with gambling. Book a big block of rooms under your account and have everyone else pay you. You can land a better room rate for everyone and rackup big time tier credits for yourself in the process.

Thats if you even actually pay for your room and not get comps.

Here's what people forget to see. The Tier Credits dont really mean much. You can be platinum and have a not so great Theoretical rating. Basically the way comps are calculated arent on your Tier Credits. Its your Theo or your average play. So lets say you got platinum 225,000 tier credits, but 200,000 of that would be from Food and lodging points. Basically you have a low play. As a platinum member, you may get the Plat tier discounts which is I believe 20% off casino rates at MGM. But Gold and up already get the same discount anyway. Pearl gets 5% I believe.

So basically the calculation of comps is based on how much you play and how long. Lets say as a slot player, you play 30min a day for 30 days with $100. You will probably get better rating if you gambled $3000 in 15hours in 1 or 2 days.

Also in slots, there is a "coin in" total. Lets say you have a bankroll of $500 a day to play on slots. You turn over that $500 up and down for a few hours and the actual coin in may end up being $10-15,000. That type of play will get you the tier credits, points and a good comp calculation overall.

For a table player, the only way you can really get recognized is if you are betting big hands. $25-50 per hand at least. Thats how you get your Tier Credit and rating up. Anything less than that flies under the radar for most pit bosses and it doesnt even make a dent on or even get recognized for your Tier credits.

Basically, those tier levels are basically for what color card you will have. It doesnt really reflect on what type of comps you get.

That helps to explain why my wife, the slot player, gets weekly mailers from the properties offering discounted/free rooms. While I gamble more money on our trips at table games, and typically offset her losses with my wins, get jack shit.

[WT661]

That helps to explain why my wife, the slot player, gets weekly mailers from the properties offering discounted/free rooms. While I gamble more money on our trips at table games, and typically offset her losses with my wins, get jack shit.

ya it doesnt make sense right. lol. The rating is all dependent on the pit boss in table games. So its so subjective and it can go your way or opposite.

[theflopindian]

Exactly. I'm a Gold member (lowest tier) in Venetian/Palazzo's Grazie program and have 0 tier points; yet I'm staying for free at Palazzo on consecutive weekends in August/Sept. including LDW.

The only way I found to work the system has nothing to do with gambling. Book a big block of rooms under your account and have everyone else pay you. You can land a better room rate for everyone and rackup big time tier credits for yourself in the process.

Thats if you even actually pay for your room and not get comps.

Here's what people forget to see. The Tier Credits dont really mean much. You can be platinum and have a not so great Theoretical rating. Basically the way comps are calculated arent on your Tier Credits. Its your Theo or your average play. So lets say you got platinum 225,000 tier credits, but 200,000 of that would be from Food and lodging points. Basically you have a low play. As a platinum member, you may get the Plat tier discounts which is I believe 20% off casino rates at MGM. But Gold and up already get the same discount anyway. Pearl gets 5% I believe.

So basically the calculation of comps is based on how much you play and how long. Lets say as a slot player, you play 30min a day for 30 days with $100. You will probably get better rating if you gambled $3000 in 15hours in 1 or 2 days.

Also in slots, there is a "coin in" total. Lets say you have a bankroll of $500 a day to play on slots. You turn over that $500 up and down for a few hours and the actual coin in may end up being $10-15,000. That type of play will get you the tier credits, points and a good comp calculation overall.

For a table player, the only way you can really get recognized is if you are betting big hands. $25-50 per hand at least. Thats how you get your Tier Credit and rating up. Anything less than that flies under the radar for most pit bosses and it doesnt even make a dent on or even get recognized for your Tier credits.

Basically, those tier levels are basically for what color card you will have. It doesnt really reflect on what type of comps you get.

[missiitgirl]

Exactly. I'm a Gold member (lowest tier) in Venetian/Palazzo's Grazie program and have 0 tier points; yet I'm staying for free at Palazzo on consecutive weekends in August/Sept. including LDW.

So, this may be a dumb question, but did you rack up your comps through table game play? If so, did you NOT get tier points by playing table games? I'm just trying to understand how things work since I plan on gambling more this trip!

[Jhaulotte]

Exactly. I'm a Gold member (lowest tier) in Venetian/Palazzo's Grazie program and have 0 tier points; yet I'm staying for free at Palazzo on consecutive weekends in August/Sept. including LDW.

So, this may be a dumb question, but did you rack up your comps through table game play? If so, did you NOT get tier points by playing table games? I'm just trying to understand how things work since I plan on gambling more this trip!

Comps through table play is hard. Discounts are more likely unless your playing a lot and for a long time. Slots are where its at. So much easier to monitor and of course a huge house advantage. Chuck's wife gets great deals for her play, I believe I get great deals including comps for my slot play. I know my Craps or sportsbook betting does not do it. Although your right about how you spend your money determining the comps, I cant believe it would hurt if they look at Chuck's past and see he booked 10 rooms last month and 2 rooms a few months earlier.

[WT661]

So, this may be a dumb question, but did you rack up your comps through table game play? If so, did you NOT get tier points by playing table games? I'm just trying to understand how things work since I plan on gambling more this trip!

I dont know how his could be. It could have been that he played in the past and the credits just reset at a certain date. But due to the history, it could still be giving him comps.

As far as chasing comps. I advise against it. Play to what bankroll that you have. Play for fun and to win, but not to chase the comps. Dont let it determine how much you play. Basically gamble and put the card in the slot or give it to the pitboss if you want to get rated at your table play. It wont hurt to tally up your play. Just dont count on comps to start arriving based on the bankroll you played. There's no real calculation and I know of some people that get disappointed with the offers they get even though theyre actually decent.

[theflopindian]

I play fairly high limit blackjack ($100-$500) a hand. I've only been rated at the Palazzo one session, which lasted around 4-5 hours. That's what got me the free room offers. It does seem like I would have some tier points, so I'm not sure why I don't. It was last September, so I wouldn't think they would have already expired.

Truthfully, though, it doesn't matter to me because as the other poster explained, the tier points don't mean much when it comes to comps. He's also correct when he says, in general, slots are a much better way to accumulate tier points and comps. The tier points are based on the aggregate amount that you gamble -- really a different system that the theoretical loss altogether. A person that gambles 1 day a year for 8 hours at $50 a hand in blackjack is going to have better comps than a guy that plays $10 blackjack for 2 hours a day 365 days/year. Even though the $10 player will have a higher tier score. The comps are all about how much the casino can expect you to lose in 1 visit, and clearly the $50 player can be expected to lose more.

Also, as I'm sure has been explained on here before...if you normally play at higher limits, don't use your card or ask to be rated when you're playing at lower limits as this play will actually lower your average theoretical loss to the casino. Sometimes I'll just play some $10 blackjack or craps for fun, but never ask to be rated.

Last point, I also agree that you should never play if your only goal is to get comps. In the long run, you'll lose more than the value of the comps you receive. If you think about it, hotel rooms in Vegas aren't really that expensive to begin with. Playing the level of blackjack I play, I'll lose a lot more in the long run than the value of the $159 room at Palazzo.

Exactly. I'm a Gold member (lowest tier) in Venetian/Palazzo's Grazie program and have 0 tier points; yet I'm staying for free at Palazzo on consecutive weekends in August/Sept. including LDW.

So, this may be a dumb question, but did you rack up your comps through table game play? If so, did you NOT get tier points by playing table games? I'm just trying to understand how things work since I plan on gambling more this trip!

[Ballin]

The casinos see what you spend/bet then decide how to keep you coming back to continue spending/betting with them.

So if you earn a ton of tier credits primarily by booking a lot of rooms and meals, they'll just offer you discounts so that you continue to spend on rooms and meals. (They're not going to comp you rooms if that's their primary source of revenue from you).

If you gamble a lot, then they're more likely to toss you comps to keep you gambling there.

[Chuck]

We gamble enough to get free room offers from the likes of Monte Carlo, and $79/night offers from Mirage/Aria.
Now I'm going to pile on about $10,000 in rooms and food, and of course gamble as much as usual. Even without
the $10k in rooms/food we receive nice offers going 2-3 times per year with $2K gambling budget between the two of
us. Our play is probably higher than that because we gamble for the big win. We don't win $100 and quit. I'll gamble
it all away chasing that $2000 win. But it's cool, b/c I consider my gambling money to be entertainment money, not an
investment.