Tier Hacks

[Nate Wood]

Does anyone know of any good way to get your tier score up for either mlife or TR? I have heard stories of people spending hours at video roulette machines playing Red Black and 0 00. Basically saying I know I'm going to lose x amount of money to get to my tier score, but I'm going to get there with minimum risk and as quick as possible. I don't love this idea, and I was wondering if anyone else had any other strategies they've used or seen work. Thanks for any insight.

[Jhaulotte]

Well first you have to realize that video roulette, video poker, and video black jack are the worst games to play to build tier credits. They accumulate much slower because the casinos are not stupid so they adjust how much are rewarded for them. Slot machines are the best way to build credits.

[WT661]

Well first you have to realize that video roulette, video poker, and video black jack are the worst games to play to build tier credits. They accumulate much slower because the casinos are not stupid so they adjust how much are rewarded for them. Slot machines are the best way to build credits.

I disagree on the video roulette. I think its one of the easier ways to accumulate with minimal bankroll.
While it does take more $ for every tier credit. Theres ways to gain it pretty good without having huge bankroll.
I think you can last longer on roulette than the swings of a slot machine. Thats just me personally though.

Playing black and red and Zeros isnt the best way IMO. First you're putting lets say $10 per color, so youre in it $20/spin at least. If the colors dont hit and it hits zeros, you lost quite a bit. But if the colors do hit, even though you're breaking even, you know you have to put it at least on the Zeros so you dont lose that $20. Basically you have to find number combinations so you can win $1-3 on most spins and an occasional big win to offset the potential losses.
This method I dont recommend. It can work if you can handle the big up and down swings, but its too much risk for me. But you can get a bunch of points if you end up doing $30ish per spin.

The other way of course is put that $30 all on your numbers and hope they hit for the larger 34-36:1 payout. You have to be ready to handle big losses and wait out for your numbers to hit to break even on this as well.

The method we use is the progressive betting when on video roulette. I'm no expert at this but it works for us so we just have fun and do it this way. The thing with progressive betting is you have to multiply or double up the previous bet so you can double the initial bet or more. Some play black/red or odd/even for the 2:1 pay. I like playing the sections so it gives out 3:1. There are limits to this since some machines have a certain max bet. I dont usually always play the double the bet, but I raise it higher than the previous bet. So if you start out at a $1, some continuous loses can bring you easily into the $32-$64-$128 bet in just 7-8 losses. So you have to be ready to have some decent bankroll if you get a streak with that many losses. I dont play it that high. My limit is $100 so my raises vary.

Basically you can start out with $20 at quarter bets and slowly come up to $100. Then raise it to fifty cents then to $1 for initial bet. Its up to you what you are comfortable with. Some of these machines have $3 minimum, but ones at MLife and Cosmo do not. The organic/rapid video roulette does have $3 minimum so you just have to see which you want to play.

As far as Tier credits, the video poker, roulette are $10 for 1 credit. Slots are usually $5 for 1 credit. You also have to watch out that some video machines done apply to tier credit or slot points. It will say that on some machines. I dont look at every single machine but ones I've seen it are the Video Craps at NYNY.

Our gambling varies per trip depending on how much time we have. Most people in Vegas come to gamble but we usually come to party and gamble on the side. Basically 45min to 1hr there or couple hours in the afternoon or squeeze in a few hours before we drive out of town. So we dont always do tables if we just want to sit and relax at the machines. And you really dont get recognized at the tables unless you're doing $50-100 hands anyway. When we're pretty tired from the partying and not always in the mood to gamble, its much more comfortable to just drop in a $100 and turn it into $300 in 2hrs while sitting there pressing buttons.

Going back to how much points it can get you. If you play it right and you sit there for a good 4-5 hours in a day. You can stretch your $500-1000 to last that long and possibly even win a good amount. With that amount and that time frame, its not uncommon to gain 25K-100K of tier credits in that short of a time.

My friend does about 3-4hrs a trip with only about $400-500. He'll rack up 25-45K easily within that time. It would take alot more time and money to do that on a table game. Thats the way we play sometimes. Its not for everyone, but its just a good way to pass time and gain Tier points. Its not guaranteed for everyone, but it works for us so thats how we do it.

[Chuck]

We alao charge everything to our room

[Jhaulotte]

We alao charge everything to our room

That is a good point Chuck. Plus the room cost itself.

[Jhaulotte]

Wt661, I have never broke the math down that much, I just know that you have to bet 5x's more on games like video poker and roulette. Video games are $10 in for 10 credits and slots are $2 in for 10 tier credits and when you're at gold it is $1.75

[gamepube]

We alao charge everything to our room

That is a good point Chuck. Plus the room cost itself.

Yeah this is one of the best way as players clubs like grazie count every dollar you spend toward your tier score.

[Sidekicknicholas]

You can play table games and have a friend there to hedge your bets.... bet $50+ a roll on roulette on Red everytime and have a buddy there betting $50 on black.... hope for no greens.

Same goes for craps (pass / don't pass) and hope for no 12's on the come out roll.

[gingerbread]

You can play table games and have a friend there to hedge your bets.... bet $50+ a roll on roulette on Red everytime and have a buddy there betting $50 on black.... hope for no greens.

Same goes for craps (pass / don't pass) and hope for no 12's on the come out roll.

Why use a friend? If you bet both sides of red/black or pass/no-pass every time, you'll bet betting $100 a "hand" as far as the pit boss is concerned rather than $50 so your comp score probably looks better. Of course, if you do this you'll have no chance of walking away ahead because of a short term streak.

[Chuck]

....this sounds horrible....I have fun gambling for the fact I'm chasing that big hot streak and riding the lightning when it strikes. Tier points are the consolation prize for losing that eventually get you free rooms. I never play to chase comps...that's a bad plan all around IMO.

You can play table games and have a friend there to hedge your bets.... bet $50+ a roll on roulette on Red everytime and have a buddy there betting $50 on black.... hope for no greens.

Same goes for craps (pass / don't pass) and hope for no 12's on the come out roll.

Why use a friend? If you bet both sides of red/black or pass/no-pass every time, you'll bet betting $100 a "hand" as far as the pit boss is concerned rather than $50 so your comp score probably looks better. Of course, if you do this you'll have no chance of walking away ahead because of a short term streak.

[Chuck]

The last trip I took with my friends I booked everything, and paid for everything, and had them pay me up front.
This worked well b/c they were on a tighter budget than us so I subsidized some of their trip, but in return, racked
up 2x the tier credits I would have on my own from food and beverage.

[WT661]

Betting on red and black at the same time is flawed. You dont really gain much as far as tier points doing that. I mean you can, but at the risk of losing $100 a hand if it hits Zeros. And you're not even winning anything at all. You would have to offset that with betting on Zeros and other numbers and sections too.

Like I was saying, if you want to be recognized and you dont have big bankroll to do big hands on tables, the machines can help you rack up points. At least you're getting something rather than nothing.

[Chuck]

At the end of the day there really isn't a way to cheat the system...but you can do things to rack up points faster.

[WT661]

ya just play what you like and have fun with it. Thats what we do. We dont chase for comps but since its there, might as well use your card while playing. I'm going back to Vegas this weekend, I dont even know if I have time to gamble. Its not my main thing to do, but when I get a chance and have time, I'm down to gamble a bit.

[Ballin]

Wait...do people actually stand at a roulette table and play red and black at the same time? First off, that's got to be extremely boring. Second, casinos know that the person doing it is just doing it to abuse comp earnings and will probably note that on your account and actually reduce your offers.