Dice Setting/Dice Control

[mojodmonky]

Tried this method on Saturday , started with 100 , went up 350 in about 45 minutes then a shooter decided to basically make like 4 points in a row and I was 10 on don't pass and 10X odds.

I finished down 200. cold table you win, hot table you lose.

what limits were you playing with? i imagine with $100 buy in, it had to be a $5 table?

[bkaNASTY]

can't wait to try your method next weekend, nick

thanks in advance

[Joe S]

I normally just bet don't pass line and buy odds so i decided to just add the extra on pass line and see how it worked. I was betting 20 on the lines and between 40-60 on 4/10, 30-50 5/9 depending on how much i was up i started with $500 total. First night i tried it i played for just over 2 hours and ended up $150, i bounced between -200/+250 during that time. I noticed once someone makes a 2nd point you should just take all your bets off and wait for new shooter. I went again the next night with same $500 and decided to do the 2 point rule, and it help cut out the bad swing. I played for 4 hours that night betting the same 20 on each line with 30-60 odds and ended up $440. If you use this method i'd def bring decent amount to gamble cause to win $40 on one roll you have to be betting 70/80 a roll

[theotherone]

Tried this method on Saturday , started with 100 , went up 350 in about 45 minutes

That is why every time I get another $50 in chips above the seed money, I pocket it. You only need $100 to play this way, so don't even risk the other stuff.

$350 in 45 mins - Lets say you go up $100 every 15 mins.
I'm playing and 7/8 mins later I have $150 - I pocket $50 - Can't touch it again....
and 7/8 mins later I have $150 - I pocket $50 ... can't touch it
and 7/8 mins later I have $150 - I pocket $50 ... can't touch it
.... this goes on for 45 mins.


45 mins later.... I still have $100 on the table playing like its my first roll and have $350 in the pocket. I lose that "seed" $100, oh well, I'm done and walking away with a profit of $250.

The term for pocketing your winnings is "rat-holing" in case anyone wanted some useless trivia. Dealer in Tunica once told me that when he saw me doing it. He said in the mob-ruled days they didn't allow it.

I'll be in Vegas first weekend of Dec. for the half marathon. I'm hoping to do just fine by betting 'right' and setting the dice. As long as I'm shooting well betting right is obviously the best bet but I may need this system when the others have a go at the dice.

[atomicbomber]

a quick report on my trip last week, was down since the first day playing when i lost 500 in about 20 minutes at the venetian then a single roller won me $700 in about 30 when i went back to aria to pick up my luggage to head to the airport

i still believe in the math, that man just rolled like a living legend

[theotherone]

a quick report on my trip last week, was down since the first day playing when i lost 500 in about 20 minutes at the venetian then a single roller won me $700 in about 30 when i went back to aria to pick up my luggage to head to the airport

i still believe in the math, that man just rolled like a living legend

Awesome report, congrats!!!

For 30 minutes of play you Certainly weren't holding back much in your betting!

[21togamble]

There was a big article about the guy sliding dice and winning like 170k or something dumb before getting officially caught... That is one way to win right?

[Spanky132]

Dice control is probably possible with tons of practice. If setting the dice helped the casino's wouldn't let you do it. Bet the pass(back it up as much as you can), bet the 6 & 8. Nothing more.

[Gary T]

ok, simple strategy, called the Stokely system. Only bet after a 7 is rolled. place 6&8. once it hits, take down your bets. wait for another 7. This takes discipline and patience. But you'll come out ahead.
And this is why it works:
1. There are 10 of 36 ( 5 in 36 for each number) ways to roll a 6 or 8 on any single roll and 6 ways in 36 to roll a 7. So its more likely you will hits a 6 or 8 before a 7 on any given roll. That's obvious. The odds say you should hit one of the 6/8's 62.5% of the time and the 7's 37.5% of the time. Factoring in the payout for 6/8 at 7 for 6, the house collects its percentage when the dreaded 7 finally hits, either as a natural on the come out or if no 6/8 before the next 7. That equates to the 1.51 or so percent house advantage on the Place bet on 6/8.
2. However, the above percentages as described above assume the following, and therefore does NOT apply to the Stokely System and helps explain why it works as well as it does:
a. Above scenario and percentages assumes you keep your place bet on the table for every bet (except the come out), hitting numbers until a seven hits and you lose your table bets (which you are not in my system) or
b. Above scenario and percentages assumes you are betting every time or roll of the dice (working), and as well, leaving your place bet up every single roll of the dice till lost by a seven (which you are not in my system).
*In fact, you break the odds described above using the Stokely System, because you are not betting every roll of the dice AND not leaving your wager up, but taking it down after one hit. In addition, because you use a "working" place 6/8 bet right AFTER every seven, it means you would have to hit TWO sevens in a row to lose on this bet, as you placed your bet right after the last 7. As you will see, this is the least likely point of ever rolling a seven again based on the fact that 7's must average out to one every six rolls on average, so the advantage is one your side (more later).

So is the house edge broken?

(Lets look at another reason for this...)

I think it is but its a little complex to describe the reasoning. Based on the odds, that 6 of 36 times on a roll of dice in craps, you will roll a seven, you will see a rhythm of 7-cycles in which you have hot rolls of many numbers before a seven appears, short cycles with few numbers, and on the extremes, several 7's in a row, and even huge rolls with no sevens for sometimes hours, on very rare occasions. Over time all these still average out to cycles, of rolling a 7 every 6 rolls (roughly). If we lived in a perfect universe, where the percentages were pure and consistent for two rolled dice, you could bet a series of numbers right after a 7 and after five rolls, make your numbers, take them down and avoid the coming 7. In fact, in our universe of probability, over averages of many rolls this does actually average out this way, and using the system above, by placing a bet right after a 7 and making it working on the come out, you will more than likely hit the 6/8 once, making a profit and taking down to avoid the loss. By taking down your bet after a win, and waiting for the seven, you not only make a profit but avoid losing ANY money. No hedging, No dice setting, No pushing or regression/progressions needed. You simply avoid the loss and the combination of the win and avoidance of loss along the come out working 6/8, and the bet right after a 7, you should consistently win and see a different odds result.

[shrimp123]

that just sounds like such an incredibly boring way to play. if your bored on a saturday and have 5 hours to kill, I get it. But if your going to vegas on vacation and just want to casually gamble and have fun, I don't know who would do that

[Gary T]

Yeah, you're right, it would really be frustrating during a hot roll. So, you modify your strategy by leaving your bets up longer, IE up to 4-6 times after they hit, or after a 7 is rolled....or play iron cross strategy after you hit one of your numbers. The thing is, if you play this strategy by the letter, betting $90 ea on the 6/8, you can make $1K in an hour, consistently.
I guess you just have to determine where your risk and comfort levels coincide. More risk surely equates to more fun. I guess it just comes down to determining if you'd rather be bored and have chips in your rail, or have a great time and be broke.
And if you get bored...cocktails!

[BrianF]

I'll be doing this for sure very soon dice fun to me is making money. I can ride the highs with the table but that also means I'll be sharing the lows as well. I'd rather ride the slope of winning to the top alone and ski down my pile of chips

[Gary T]

EXACTLY!
And when the table is choppy....you'll be ahead when everyone else is walking away!
Cheers!

[DutchGuyNL]

I feel like players who are setting the dice are winning more often. For some reason first timers always throw a 7 extremely fast.

[44inarow]

I feel like players who are setting the dice are winning more often. For some reason first timers always throw a 7 extremely fast.

I have found the exact opposite to be true. There's no table I'd rather be at than the one with the girl who just turned 21 and "always wanted to try rolling the dice".