Extra charges for bottle service.

[ashroid]

Of course it's legal, you're entering their establishment and consenting to abide by their "contract" by simply entering the premises.

Think of it in the way some restaurants can get away with charging a large party a set gratuity no matter the service. Doesn't make much sense because "legally" speaking it's not legal to have a disparity between patrons.

There's court rulings that sway each way so the moral of the story?

Use a credit card. I've only had to do it once but you can dispute a tip. I knew what I was paying for, I knew the final bill and was fine signing the receipt. But I didn't remember ordering cuntish snail paced service with a side of "your welcome, I'm doing you a favor for bring out your 1.5L bottles you paid for" attitude.

So, I had American Express take care of it.

That's awesome! If I'd known that from that b*tch waitress Nicole who had the WORST service ever, I would've done the same thing too!

I understand that clubs do this in Las Vegas for various reasons, but I wonder how it all got started. How did the 20% auto-gratuity become the standard? Does the customer (us!) have any recourse if the service was as bad as horse shit?

[MidlandR]

Im not worried about the host. Both guys at tao and pure have been real cool with my requests and I'm gonna take of them for that. I'm gonna be paying in cash and I'm worried that by the end of the night I'm gonna get a bill for alot more than I was quoted. Has that ever happened to anybody?? Are clubs good with charging you what they quoted?? Or do they try to sneak in extra fees and take advantage of you when your hammered??

[paul07ss]

I am pretty sure I settled the bill before we even got our bottles. Then if you get extra stuff you pay as it comes.

[Guest]

+1 Its a good idea to charge your bar tabs/ vegas expenses to Amex. They are top notch in correcting those shady tenders that write in extra tips.

[mitzi]

we've paid up front in the past for everything-and had no problems at clubs
the only time I had an issue was Aug. 2010 HRH Beach Club had bev min for cabana and at the end slammed us for a sperate Cabana charge which doubled our bill-been going there for years and NEVER had a seperate Cabana charge-that's when Morgans was still managing the hotel hopefully new management will be like Mortons management!!!

[Warren11]

I would always pay before hand, just on the basis if some of your party are ill/fall asleep etc and get thrown out and you have not got their money it makes your bill more, settling at the beginning eliminates all the potential problems.

[jtl3567]

$100 tip per bottle? No way

100 for three bottles? Times that by 3.

You got to be kidding me - $100 per bottle to the host? If you have an agreement ahead of time for a special location OR just a simple handshake agreement set before the walk-up I can understand but for a regular weekend there is no reason in hell anybody should tip an additional $100 per bottle for somebody to walk me 30 feet, especially not at the table locations in the venues you mentioned.

Note: I've done bottle service 8+ times so I'm not somebody blowing smoke up your ass.

[Louie]

I totally agree. $100 to walk you 30 feet thats crazy! lol

[Vadiksf415]

100 for three bottles? Times that by 3.

You got to be kidding me - $100 per bottle to the host? If you have an agreement ahead of time for a special location OR just a simple handshake agreement set before the walk-up I can understand but for a regular weekend there is no reason in hell anybody should tip an additional $100 per bottle for somebody to walk me 30 feet, especially not at the table locations in the venues you mentioned.

Note: I've done bottle service 8+ times so I'm not somebody blowing smoke up your ass.

What were your bottle minimums and what was your table locations during those 8+ times?

[ashroid]

100 for three bottles? Times that by 3.

You got to be kidding me - $100 per bottle to the host? If you have an agreement ahead of time for a special location OR just a simple handshake agreement set before the walk-up I can understand but for a regular weekend there is no reason in hell anybody should tip an additional $100 per bottle for somebody to walk me 30 feet, especially not at the table locations in the venues you mentioned.

Note: I've done bottle service 8+ times so I'm not somebody blowing smoke up your ass.

What were your bottle minimums and what was your table locations during those 8+ times?

I also want to know. I try to do bottle service at least once a trip (I've slowed down compared to before), but I call up hosts I trust. They know I'm not a "baller", so they put me in so-so locations. If I wanted more prominent locations, they tell me what I need to do to make it happen. Sometimes we switch, sometimes we don't.

I look at it this way: I want to have fun with my friends first. If there are girls that are concerned with my table location, I'll just tell them to leave and then just invite other girls. There's too many girls in Las Vegas out to have fun to be concerned with petty things (in my opinion) like table location).

However, if you rarely go (like once a year or less), I could see table service location being something to consider.

[ChiTownChik]

100 for three bottles? Times that by 3.

You got to be kidding me - $100 per bottle to the host? If you have an agreement ahead of time for a special location OR just a simple handshake agreement set before the walk-up I can understand but for a regular weekend there is no reason in hell anybody should tip an additional $100 per bottle for somebody to walk me 30 feet, especially not at the table locations in the venues you mentioned.

Note: I've done bottle service 8+ times so I'm not somebody blowing smoke up your ass.

+100! I've always said the tip is at YOUR own discretion and no one else's, you tip based on service and what you think the service you've received deserves.

[jtl3567]

100 for three bottles? Times that by 3.

You got to be kidding me - $100 per bottle to the host? If you have an agreement ahead of time for a special location OR just a simple handshake agreement set before the walk-up I can understand but for a regular weekend there is no reason in hell anybody should tip an additional $100 per bottle for somebody to walk me 30 feet, especially not at the table locations in the venues you mentioned.

Note: I've done bottle service 8+ times so I'm not somebody blowing smoke up your ass.

What were your bottle minimums and what was your table locations during those 8+ times?

My group size has gone up and down for varying trips. To be truthfully honest, I've had every scenario come up and not once has somebody acted like they were waiting for a tip, did /did not get one and make any decision different than they would have otherwise (at least in body language or where I was actually placed).

I've had the huge bachelor party group down to a trip with a girlfriend at LAVO. The thing is, I don't expect to be sat middle of dance floor on a Saturday night when it is me and one girl with a 1 bottle minimum (arranged beforehand). Was our table absolute garbage? Not at all, sat just off main floor in pretty busy part of the room. Part of the issue is managing expectations. Do I think my group of 7 guys with 3 bottles are sitting main floor at XS? No chance in hell. Do I think dropping a stupid extra $300 (according to the $100 per bottle rule) to my host is going to help at all? No way.

I am by no means a wealthy guy but I like to enjoy the trips I go on. Most bottles I have ever done in a single sitting is 4 (with a few rounds of shots in between), average is 3 (the girlfriend trip was one time thing). I've never been told I had to break the 3 persons / 1 bottle ratio if that helps.

Just to remind, I believe there might be some extended circumstances but the original thread mentioned 12 guys May 12-15 (a Memorial prep weekend) getting 3 bottles on the Tao beach level and Terrace at Pure. 4/1 ratio is very solid with that big of a group of guys but those locations are 2nd or 3rd rate. I always prefer dance floor but at least the terrace at Pure has a view a Vegas rookie would enjoy. I absolutely hate the beach level at Tao. Hey guy, here's $300 for putting me in a garbage location? No thanks...

[presto]

how much do you usually tip then?

[jtl3567]

In my opinion, I think the $100-$150 he suggested is plenty fine. His table locations are less than desirable to most so give the guy a little bit for helping you with the bottle ratio thing.

[JSki]

I have some questions about how you get your location slotted based upon number of bottles vs. number in group...

I'm pretty sure that there is a general rule for each location...

2 bottle locations
3 bottle locations
4 bottle locations
5 bottle locations
10 bottle prime location

Then comes the number of people in the wolfpack

6 people 2 bottles vs 9 people 3 bottles vs 12 people 4 bottles... In the end it's still 1 bottle per 3 people...

Is the 12 person wolfpack slotted above the 4 person wolfpack

I believe that this is where tipping comes into play... The way I have come to understand it is that you are first slotted into different sections based upon how much you sepnd (total bottles)... from there you can tip up to a more desired location... Or tip down by not giving one... and end up with the table that is less desirable... If your the 12 person group buying 4 bottles and you don't tip... Your gonna get the lowest 4 bottle table... Which isn't gonna be that bad... If you have three guys 2 bottles with no tip, your gonna end up at the worst table in the club...

The worst situation is 3 people with a 2 bottle minimum... First off, 3 people don't need 2 bottles... Then your $200 tip at best gets you into the 3 bottle locations... The math never works out well...