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  • Club Rewards Card? Quite possibly the dumbest idea ever?

    So, as many people know, Pure Management (Pure, LAX, etc) has undergone a virtual head-to-toe reinvention as nearly every relevant corporate / management employee has been replaced by someone new, not all of which have worked in Vegas nightlife before.

    That isn't necessarily a bad thing as fresh faces can bring fresh ideas, but of course all fresh ideas are not created equal - like creating a frequent clubber card that offers guests rewards for booking tables often.

    If I'm understanding what they are trying to do with these cards, they are essentially trying to apply a casino card (or, even a grocery store) concept to Vegas nightlife. Purchase enough stuff, get something in return.

    While the idea of keeping track of what you spend to get "rewards" sounds like a great idea in some cases, in my humble opinion, this is an idea by someone who I'm assuming isn't familiar with the Vegas market. You don't apply the same marketing principle that successfully gives old ladies oversized hats for playing penny slots to that of a business that makes millions of dollars by selling customers the illusion of importance.

    Let's break this one down a tad...

    1) Locals, who haven't always had the best relations with Pure / LAX in the first place because of strict dress codes and a hit-or-miss door policy, are not going to carry around a club rewards card. I won't even carry a Von's card, I'm sure not carrying a Pure card.

    2) Of the percentage of visiting table customers who book frequently enough to matter (which, even still, is typically only a handful of times a year unless they are an independent host, or in a similar profession), the VIP service manager should KNOW who needs to be taken care of with extra perks and comps. That is his job. You don't plug this into a computer to decide who should get what.

    3) If the idea behind this is to build a database, again, customer development is what the hosts do. Thats like their entire job. They have pages upon pages of databases of customers. If you are trying to enhance customer retention, send them something nice in the mail with a personal invitation and incentive. Don't send them an Albertsons card.

    4) Back in 2003, I designed and delivered "Queen" and "King" cards to our frequent guests at Seven. While it was only intended to have people skip the line, it was a horrible failure! No self-respecting frequent guest is going to show up to a doorman, that they probably know anyway....as they are a frequent guest (haha), and pull out some stupid card. Every summer, all of the pools do the same thing. Nobody uses these things. I have a pile of them in my closet next to all the grocery store cards I refuse to use.

    So that's my argument, and, I could be wrong on this one, but I'm not giving this idea a long life. There would have to be some pretty serious "rewards" for this thing to work, and I'm not sure Pure is going to be willing to go that far with it.

    Thoughts? How about from the visiting members, would you sign up for one of these cards?

    - Colton


    PS: For an unrelated extended rant on my absolute hatred of membership cards, read "The Adventures of Patricia Von Cunt" at www.myspace.com/jcoltonlv
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    It seems to me this is only going to give a 3rd party VIP service an advantage, and at the same time, screw their own host. The 3rd parties will book the most tables under the same name. They will get the discounts, pass part of it on to their client, and by doing so, give the client a better deal than the direct host can.

    When you consider how often someone visits Vegas, the clubs change, visitors wanting to visit different clubs, and visitors actually getting table service. It doesnt seem to do anything for probably 99% of the people who vacation in Vegas.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by dnix View Post
      It seems to me this is only going to give a 3rd party VIP service an advantage, and at the same time, screw their own host. The 3rd parties will book the most tables under the same name. They will get the discounts, pass part of it on to their client, and by doing so, give the client a better deal than the direct host can.
      I'm going to pump them for more information on this, but I still can't find an angle where this concept makes any real world sense. Seems like, no matter how you look at it, this is trying to automate a process that is already successfully handled by an incredibly professional and capable staff.
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      • #4
        Nothing beats PERSONAL SERVICE, NOTHING!!

        Jack, I agree with you on the " Rewards Card" As I experienced first hand while visiting Blush last week, nothing beats that personal touch, Nothing! ,I'm sure It's some big corporate type sitting behind a desk and said, give em a fancy card with the words VIP on it and Rewards.. Walla, instant success! Not that I'd even get offered a Rewards card, but if i did, I'd put it in the same drawer as the Casino cards that remind me of how much money I lost on em .. (o wait I can get a free t-shirt after blowing $200)

        I enjoy going to clubs, I enjoy gambling, I want to be treated like an adult and go back to the days where people remembered you're face or at least you're name. But maybe we've gotten too dependent on the almighty Database; Delete me please! I'd rather wait in line!

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        • #5
          I don't see the objective behind the cards.

          If a person is a regular, chances are they get treated well, and in turn they treat the staff at the club well. The cards role to create relationships with customers is moot, as they are already created at this point.

          If a person does not come in often, they won't get treated special, and chances are they won't get extra generous when it comes to tipping. Card or not, there wouldn't be a purpose behind it.

          For casinos, this would (and is) a fantastic idea. However, this does not seem as practical for the nightclub business.

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          • #6
            not a chance in hell for this idea to work, but im thinking that this is a direct result of nine groups bracelet and open bar idea. Heres the way I look at it: they have tio compete with nine group but cant simply copy them so they conjure up this RIDICULOUS scheme that WILL fail, and they will ultimately end up doing the same bracelet idea.....they would be better off, offering memberships for a couple thousand dollars annually and it comes with perks. lets say for $2000/year you get guaranteed table reservations for up to 4 people no matter what and maybe either discounted bottles or 2 for 1 etc.....I think people would be willing to do it for the guaranteed table ressies and a few little perks and the management group could def raise IPO funds....the club can just set up a conceirge system to make it easier for club members.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by nyc2vegas View Post
              not a chance in hell for this idea to work, but im thinking that this is a direct result of nine groups bracelet and open bar idea. Heres the way I look at it: they have tio compete with nine group but cant simply copy them so they conjure up this RIDICULOUS scheme that WILL fail, and they will ultimately end up doing the same bracelet idea.....they would be better off, offering memberships for a couple thousand dollars annually and it comes with perks. lets say for $2000/year you get guaranteed table reservations for up to 4 people no matter what and maybe either discounted bottles or 2 for 1 etc.....I think people would be willing to do it for the guaranteed table ressies and a few little perks and the management group could def raise IPO funds....the club can just set up a conceirge system to make it easier for club members.
              funny you say that. i was thinking the nine group are the only ones that could pull this idea off. when people pre-order a table, and bottles online, they could use there account#/card for discounts, better table selection, ect.. cant wait to put the nine group to the test next weekend.
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              • #8
                I had a VIP card that I bought to a club in dallas when I was in high school some years ago. Basically I would get to bypass the line (usually an hour) and I would get in with no cover. Since I went to this same club every week and was spending $20 week on cover, I decided to pony up for the card, but it cost me $500, and they only made a certain number of them...thats the only way something like that works. Otherwise, every douchebag in line is going to be flashing his pure card going "what about me?!"

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                • #9
                  I plan to be going...

                  several times this summer and I wonder if they're going to ask / inform me about it.

                  I've known for a while that Pure Management was tracking people and the host you go with via a database, but this whole "rewards program" does indeed baffle me.

                  I can't see how it would work with the Vegas virgin set, though I do prefer certain clubs over others and I do contact the same guys/girls time and time again (why fix something that ain't broke?!).

                  For the Vegas virgins, this might not be anything special, but I'd like to see how it benefits me.
                  FO SHO.
                  Originally posted by redbullvodka
                  you're not ditching them, they're ditching you by not going.
                  Originally posted by kimball
                  You want to be at the club where girls want to be... not where guys get good bottle deals.

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                  • #10
                    First thing I thought of is a Dilbert comic I have at my desk. Ted the marketing guy invites Dilbert to a meeting, Dilbert can't make it. Ted huffs "Somehow I think we can manage without engineering support" and goes on to say in the meeting "Our plan is to include a pet gerbil with every purchase. We just need to make sure it's in a sealed plastic bag so it can't chew on the cables"

                    Cliffs Notes: newbie managers will soon learn its a better concept than application.

                    p.s. Is this the same management team that thought hey, what a great idea it would be to name and theme a nightclub after a lame fashion designer?

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                    • #11
                      A fashion designer who is no longer the fashion trend and people feel like tools wearing the designers clothing?

                      Lol probably!!

                      This reward program will more then likely turn out to be disasterous. There will be so many exclusions and fine print when redeeming the earned rewards that it will leave a sour taste in everybodys mouth especially the customer. Examples of possible exclusions
                      1. Not good during holidays
                      2. Not good for preffered seating (sorry sir but no you cannot have a booth by the waterfall)
                      3. Only good towards menu price bottles but must tip out based on regular price of bottle
                      4. Sorry sold out (we only alot 1 table in out club for the rewards program and it's the one in the dark corner near the mens restroom)

                      Etc etc etc etc........
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                      • #12
                        actually let me give a example of a "punch card" type promotion.

                        I'm addicted to mickey d's iced coffee and have been since it's inception. So when I found out about there punch card program buy 4 "mcafe" beverages get one free I was pumped. So I upon getting my 4th punch in the shape of the golden arches I was looking forward to my freebie on my next visit.

                        My next visit comes around and I order a iced coffee and present the card and the cashier tells me it's not good for iced coffees but only for lattes and mochas. I then asked 1. Why did they punch my card when I purchased iced coffees and 2. Why in the hell is there a picture of actual iced coffee on the punch card? It even says mcafe on the side of the cup. Now the manager is involved (bitch!) and tells me the fine print says "not good for roasted coffee" and one of the ingredients is roasted coffee. I said well that's a bs interpretation and I know I'm not the first one with this problem.

                        So I say fuck it, take the latte, take a swig in front of her and tell her "this taste like shit,and dumped in the trash" next I said your interpretaion is all wrong and I'm speaking to your district manager.

                        LOL at this point it's becoming comical. But my point is with these punch cards there will be alot of fine print and so called missed interpretations by both the club staff and customer. Nobody wins.
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                        • #13
                          Irock tell us why you're mad...lol
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                          • #14
                            Im passionate about my coffee baby! hahahahah
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