New TSA Security Measures

[Andrew@LasVegasNightclubs]

I'm with nyceguy on this one, absolutely. The "enhanced" security measures are a total dog and pony show when you consider the number of vulnerabilities throughout the process.

1) Stressed out TSA staff are more likely to let things slip now.

2) Cargo, which is on almost all commercial flights, is a much greater risk.

3) A simple RPG with decent aim could take down any airplane and the person would probably get away.

I'd go on but I don't want to be viewed as a terrorist threat. I'm already on the "watch" list because of C02 cartridges. haha.

[Guest]

haha good pointers..

what can you possibly do with a c02 cartridge on a plane anyway

[theScott]

Plus since there is already underwear that can hide your privates from the airport scanners that uses a powdered metal that also doesn't set off metal detectors, It seems like it would be easy for someone to hide other stuff as well from the scanners if someone wanted to.


When will we see some scanners like in Total Recall when they walk through and there's no actually stopping to scan you, it's shows instantly like an x-ray and only your skeleton. Though I'm sure that would definitely have radiation problems...

[Matt]

I don't feel it's very effective in accomplishing anything other than making some more easily panicked people feel safer, but I can't say it really bothers me either. For one thing, I'm too manly to let a little radiation bother me, and I don't really care if the TSA want to play with my dick or check it out on an x-ray.

[mysticsavage]

http://jta.org/news/article/2010/01/...rport-security

As a contrast, check out the Israeli model and how it's enforced. As effective as it is, due to its profiling methods, it probably won't work here. And the amount of training it would take to bring the current crop of TSA agents up to par would be astronomical.

[mysticsavage]

One more thing...if you have a lot of time on your hands, you can always try what this guy did:

http://noblasters.com/post/1650102322/my-tsa-encounter

[livingvicariously]

I haven't been given the strip search yet, but both times this weekend was put through the body scanner..... NBD, in fact that machine feels easier than the metal detector where you have to constantly re-walk through when your belt/watch/creditcards set off the trigger ... just hope that machine didn't kill my future kids now :P

[livingvicariously]

One more thing...if you have a lot of time on your hands, you can always try what this guy did:

http://noblasters.com/post/1650102322/my-tsa-encounter

Didn't see this before my post .... this guy is now my hero!

Now if there's only a way to do this with enough time before a flight ....

[LS6]

Ive never had a problem flying and im brown..

well i just follow the rules.. have my ID ready.. shoes, belt off, no metal and laptop off. I just go through.

However there are people in TSA who are not trained properly to be respectful. I don't blame them.. they probably get paid crap wages. Still.. the TSA needs to hire quality people. If i pulled that crap at work id be fired.. fire those people and get people who can uphold a quality level of professionalism.

Pat me down.. if you have to.. but i think it would be funny and be like:

TSA: excuse me sir i have to pat you down
me: WHOA!!? im not gay bro..
TSA: *confused*
then when hes touching me down there..
ME: im not gay buddy!

then again.. maybe they do get aggravated cuz of all the people and different personalities that go through those detectors. Think about how cashiers have to deal with people or retail workers. I did retail and well.. you try to be professional and at times you just get straight assholes.. and i would keep my calm only to get yelled at for no reason and just following some rules

[Drew]

I'm with Matt and livingvicariously on this one. I agree it's way more invasive than before, but for me when all is said and done, it's not extra hassle or extra percieved pain. It's me walking through a machine to go on a plane like I always do. Just a different type of machine. It's not like I'm walking through a gauntlet of policemen beating me with tasers and batons or getting caned for leaving gum on the floor.

[WarreN]

I'm with Matt and livingvicariously on this one. I agree it's way more invasive than before, but for me when all is said and done, it's not extra hassle or extra percieved pain. It's me walking through a machine to go on a plane like I always do. Just a different type of machine. It's not like I'm walking through a gauntlet of policemen beating me with tasers and batons or getting caned for leaving gum on the floor.

The question is, where does it stop? Why the added security? Where are the grounds for it? I'm not a fan of closing the barn door when the horse is already loose but there are exceptions.

This isn't Disneyland, there are always going to be terrorists and law breakers. These measures aren't saving anyone. You may be OK with it, but I'm not. That's the problem though...the majority is ok with it...and they'll be OK with the next intrusion and the next and the next until we have no privacy or sense of freedom left.

I'm not trying to be over-dramatic here, this is the nature of the beast. Those of you that are OK with it, perhaps you should ask yourselves, what if you weren't OK with it? What if your wife wasn't? What if your child wasn't? (for any number of personal reasons)

[Drew]

I'm with Matt and livingvicariously on this one. I agree it's way more invasive than before, but for me when all is said and done, it's not extra hassle or extra percieved pain. It's me walking through a machine to go on a plane like I always do. Just a different type of machine. It's not like I'm walking through a gauntlet of policemen beating me with tasers and batons or getting caned for leaving gum on the floor.

The question is, where does it stop? Why the added security? Where are the grounds for it? I'm not a fan of closing the barn door when the horse is already loose but there are exceptions.

This isn't Disneyland, there are always going to be terrorists and law breakers. These measures aren't saving anyone.

Agreed. But the same question can be asked the other way, if it's all ineffective, should ANY screening be done at all?

[WarreN]

I'm with Matt and livingvicariously on this one. I agree it's way more invasive than before, but for me when all is said and done, it's not extra hassle or extra percieved pain. It's me walking through a machine to go on a plane like I always do. Just a different type of machine. It's not like I'm walking through a gauntlet of policemen beating me with tasers and batons or getting caned for leaving gum on the floor.

The question is, where does it stop? Why the added security? Where are the grounds for it? I'm not a fan of closing the barn door when the horse is already loose but there are exceptions.

This isn't Disneyland, there are always going to be terrorists and law breakers. These measures aren't saving anyone.

Agreed. But the same question can be asked the other way, if it's all ineffective, should ANY screening be done at all?

We don't need to go to absolutes Mr Chang. Of course some/most screening is affective. Hence the reason I bold and underlined "these"

[theScott]

All I know is that it'll be interesting to look back at this in the future as to what has changed. As Warren brings up a good point as to where it will stop?

No luggage or person items allowed onto a plane, passenger restraints for everyone on the plane while in the air to prevent anyone from attempting to enter the cockpit along with armed guards or maybe just knockout gas so that everyone is asleep while on the plane...howabout a psychological exam at security checkpoints...

[NyceGuy]

The new measures aren't thought of as intrusive because people deem them "necessary" in today's world of terrorists and crazy people. Problem is that these measures are NOT effective and they serve to slow down and disrupt procedures at the airports. Just because you haven't had any issues with it doesn't mean that applies to everyone across the board.

Take for example a woman who recently was going through the TSA checkpoint. She was pulled aside and asked to empty her pockets and open her bag. She did and they TSA agent considered her "suspicious" and started going through her wallet, and began to read her receipts. Then she emptied her pocket that had checks up to $8,000 that she was planning on depositing when she got back home. TSA grabbed the checks, asked her why she had them and what they were for. If you ask me, that's intrusive and an invasion of privacy.

The argument for the new procedure is always, "I have nothing to hide". The problem is that stance defines privacy to be something that people want to hide bad/illegal/dangerous things. Just because I have nothing to hide doesn't mean I have anything to show you.

And another thing, these TSA procedures are costing a fortune. I believe the estimate was close to half a billion and rising for these new machines and procedures which have been proven to be completely useless.

EDIT: Former Homeland Security Secretary owns the company that makes the new TSA body scanners.


via New Yorker 1972

then again.. maybe they do get aggravated cuz of all the people and different personalities that go through those detectors. Think about how cashiers have to deal with people or retail workers. I did retail and well.. you try to be professional and at times you just get straight assholes.. and i would keep my calm only to get yelled at for no reason and just following some rules

Problem is, even the TSA agents don't know the guidelines and rules.

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