Patrick Frank =d-bag

[Drew]

lol thread close please.

[masterdeviance]

OP may not have followed proper tipping protocol, but he was actually quite civil throughout the thread (barring, of course, his first post where he labeled PF a dbag...)

I think Jacob needs to come in May now lol

[LovesVegas18888]

OP may not have followed proper tipping protocol, but he was actually quite civil throughout the thread (barring, of course, his first post where he labeled PF a dbag...)

I think Jacob needs to come in May now lol

Lol I agree!!! Everyone can get drunk and happy together.... recalling the wonderful PF D-Bad thread. He actually got a few new members to sign up, if they end up sticking around.. we need to get more threads and get at it!

[nyc2vegas]

whats hysterical is this may be thoe only thread to NOT get hijacked!!!!

[Drew]

This all nothing a few drinks and drunken laughs together can't solve!!!

AOD AOD AOD!!!

[LovesVegas18888]

whats hysterical is this may be thoe only thread to NOT get hijacked!!!!

I'm trying!! I told you to run away to Vegas in March.. only if you actually hang out with us more than one night!

[LovesVegas18888]

This all nothing a few drinks and drunken laughs together can't solve!!!

AOD AOD AOD!!!

quit being positive honey

[Bababooey323]

yeah I suppose if people want to be a huge scumbags they can do this, however vegas is a small community of nightlife industry, if you get caught or even suspected of it you will never get another job in vegas again. not to mention the amount of cameras they have to keep a keen eye on the goings on, and they will ultimately be able to tell by the amount of tips youre bringing in if it doesnt make sense they will figure it out very quickly even if it takes setting you up by having insiders set up tables with you and tip you x amount and see what you contribute at the end of the night, for a few thousand bucks your livlihood is snatched in a nano second

I doubt the camera can tell weather you put 500 in your pocket or 300... and if you're making way more than other hosts, I don't think anyone would notice if you pocketed some cash... it wouldn't work for someone who makes low tips to begin with.

[dnix]

i'l pitch in on the tip.


so far, i'm still w/ jacob on this. have agreed with him thus far.


just cuz some pohlees is corrupt, doesn't mean they all is, yo!

corrupt?????? Vegas as a WHOLE is corrupt. All of you need to take a good look at your morale barometer if your supporting the Vegas nightlife at ALL. Come on. All the clubs DISCRIMINATE against guys in general, and anyone on how they look. Almost all bouncers/promoters/host take BRIBES for you to CUT in line. They dont say come on in, and HOPE you tip them. They tell you how much they want for you to not have to wait in line, and if you do it, you just bribed someone to allow you cut in front of people that got there early and have been waiting for hours.

Is it fair that some people can wear a ball cap or chucks and others cant??????? How ethical is that??????? They use what your wearing to force a bribe or table service all the time.

Again, I respect the fact that PF was up front, just as much as I respect the fact that Jacob used someone else. The dick move would have been to wait until Jacob showed up and left him outside. Id be upset for him if that had happened. I dont even care who he used or much he tipped the guy. Its his prerogative.

If you see this thread and think PF expects too much for his services, thats fine. BUT if you think what he did is unethical, then you should take a good look at what goes on in Vegas, and reconsider spending your money there at all.

[tschwicht]

and like i said before. we are always VERY welcoming on here...We were all welcoming to you, weren't we? Things change when your first post is a thread calling someone a d-bag. I understand everyone has their stories but it could have been handled differently.
Once again, is this thread done or do people want to keep arguing?

This is exactly what I was referring to in my last post (although i'm sure no one read the thesis paper I wrote and I guess I don't blame them). Let the MODS handle those issues. Why are you, along with everyone else trying to police the forums and attacking people? Why do you feel like your opinion is better than his or anyone elses? Have you even paid for a table in Vegas yourself, or just drank off others' bottles? What makes you think you have experience to speak in this thread, the fact you have met up with JC members?

You've been here a whole 3 months. You didn't "welcome" Chillin to the forums because you weren't even around when he joined (I was). We were very welcoming then unlike now though, you at least got that right. Ego and sense of entitlement all in one, I agree Don.

There should be forum posting rules. Rule suggestion #1: dnix and NYC you should just start deleting posts if people say things like "XXXX is a d-bag". When they complain, let them know they can voice their opinion in a professional way. The forum has just become a hastle for me to come on and i'm sure others feel the same way. You have to scan 30 pages of one liners and inside jokes from everyone's trip in EVERY THREAD just to get a small piece of information, and if someone goes against the norm in the least bit it's a dogpile. Rule suggestion #2: post something relevant to the thread or don't post at all. Make the "General Discussions" forum for all that banter.

I kindly thank the forum for the information that i've received and friends i've met, and Jack for his hospitality and information. I will keep in touch with many that i've met here, but unless this place gets policed up abit i'm probably going to be gone from here until then. Those that need to get ahold of me know how.

[Bababooey323]

corrupt?????? Vegas as a WHOLE is corrupt. All of you need to take a good look at your morale barometer if your supporting the Vegas nightlife at ALL. Come on. All the clubs DISCRIMINATE against guys in general, and anyone on how they look. Almost all bouncers/promoters/host take BRIBES for you to CUT in line. They dont say come on in, and HOPE you tip them. They tell you how much they want for you to not have to wait in line, and if you do it, you just bribed someone to allow you cut in front of people that got there early and have been waiting for hours.

Is it fair that some people can wear a ball cap or chucks and others cant??????? How ethical is that??????? They use what your wearing to force a bribe or table service all the time.

Again, I respect the fact that PF was up front, just as much as I respect the fact that Jacob used someone else. The dick move would have been to wait until Jacob showed up and left him outside. Id be upset for him if that had happened. I dont even care who he used or much he tipped the guy. Its his prerogative.

If you see this thread and think PF expects too much for his services, thats fine. BUT if you think what he did is unethical, then you should take a good look at what goes on in Vegas, and reconsider spending your money there at all.

lol i was just referencing to what jacob said earlier...

but-
I've never heard a bouncer say "You can't go in with those shoes. Give me a couple hundy and I'll let you in."

[vegasanyone???]

The only thing i keep thinking about is if jacob came on here and said the the "PM me for more info" guys was a d-bag, everyone would have cheered, lifted him on his shoulders and flew him out for the invasion and bought him rounds (slight exaggeration).

The fact the PF is a listed host on this sight and members affection for Jack (well deserved) lead them to beleive they need to be protected. A relationship has developed for the members who have used PF, and feel the need to proctect him (much like Lovesvegas888 protecting cisco) earlier. Everyone's experience is different and if jacob said he felt insulted or though pf was not up to par with him, its his opinion.

I personally will not use PF again, but thats because of my experices.

[Erock]

Just talking about the forums part, I agree. I cant get the information in the threads I want without reading through 200 posts. I used to read the forum everyday but now its just the same people with 20 posts each in a thread. No offense to you guys, it is a message board. Its just kinda polluted for those that dont have time to read through so many posts in a thread.

[LovesVegas18888]

This is exactly what I was referring to in my last post (although i'm sure no one read the thesis paper I wrote and I guess I don't blame them). Let the MODS handle those issues. Why are you, along with everyone else trying to police the forums and attacking people? Why do you feel like your opinion is better than his or anyone elses? Have you even paid for a table in Vegas yourself, or just drank off others' bottles? What makes you think you have experience to speak in this thread, the fact you have met up with JC members?

You've been here a whole 3 months. You didn't "welcome" Chillin to the forums because you weren't even around when he joined (I was). We were very welcoming then unlike now though, you at least got that right. Ego and sense of entitlement all in one, I agree Don.

There should be forum posting rules. Rule suggestion #1: dnix and NYC you should just start deleting posts if people say things like "XXXX is a d-bag". When they complain, let them know they can voice their opinion in a professional way. The forum has just become a hastle for me to come on and i'm sure others feel the same way. You have to scan 30 pages of one liners and inside jokes from everyone's trip in EVERY THREAD just to get a small piece of information, and if someone goes against the norm in the least bit it's a dogpile. Rule suggestion #2: post something relevant to the thread or don't post at all. Make the "General Discussions" forum for all that banter.

I kindly thank the forum for the information that i've received and friends i've met, and Jack for his hospitality and information. I will keep in touch with many that i've met here, but unless this place gets policed up abit i'm probably going to be gone from here until then. Those that need to get ahold of me know how.

WOW. This was completely uncalled for. I'm nice to everyone on these forums... yeah, I haven't been a member for long but so what? Does that really matter when I'm still sticking around to talk to people and enjoying everyone's company? I've responded to people's late night questions on here when nobody else was around as long as responded to questions anyone has asked that I can help with....
Maybe I wasn't around to welcome Chillin but I have responded to him on some threads and have always been nice.
I've always chipped in for any BS that I've been a part of so don't start to assume that I drink off of other people's bottles and just go along on my happy way.
Maybe the forums SHOULD be policed a bit so people can't write asshole remarks like you just did. I'm done.

[NyceGuy]

Let the MODS handle those issues. Why are you, along with everyone else trying to police the forums and attacking people? Why do you feel like your opinion is better than his or anyone elses? Have you even paid for a table in Vegas yourself, or just drank off others' bottles? What makes you think you have experience to speak in this thread, the fact you have met up with JC members?

You've been here a whole 3 months. You didn't "welcome" Chillin to the forums because you weren't even around when he joined (I was). We were very welcoming then though, you at least got that right. Ego and sense of entitlement all in one, I agree Don.

There should be forum posting rules. Rule suggestion #1: dnix and NYC you should just start deleting posts if people say things like "XXXX is a d-bag". When they complain, let them know they can voice their opinion in a professional way. The forum has just become a hastle for me to come on and i'm sure others feel the same way. You have to scan 30 pages of one liners and inside jokes from everyone's trip in EVERY THREAD just to get a small piece of information, and if someone goes against the norm in the least bit it's a dogpile. Rule suggestion #2: post something relevant to the thread or don't post at all. Make the "General Discussions" forum for all that banter.

I kindly thank the forum for the information that i've received and friends i've met, and Jack for his hospitality and information. I will keep in touch with many that i've met here, but unless this place gets policed up abit i'm probably going to be gone from here until then. Those that need to get ahold of me know how.

I was trying to not get involved but your post kind of pulled me in.

First off, Jacob had every right to explain his bad experience with PF. That's exactly what I thought this forum was about, for everyone (old and new) to help each other out with anything regarding Vegas.

However, I do agree with Loves that posting DBag in the title may have caused some members to put their guards up. There are members here who have built a relationship with him and have had nothing but good experiences with PF.

Now, about the forum becoming a chore.

I agree that there are plenty of senseless posts and one-liners or whatever, HOWEVER, we are ALWAYS quick to answer a question EVEN if it has been asked 1,000 times before. Recently there has been a huge wave of new members and some contribute, some don't. But to say that you being here longer gives YOU any more right than others to state your opinion is now just being hypocritical.

I think what you're saying is right about posting rules, BUT I do think you may be over-generalizing a bit much. This forum is a community, some more involved than others, and it's a place that we like to poke fun while still giving actual advice and information. There's no harm in that.