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  • #31
    Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
    On the record still has bottle service and is a mix of different rooms. What I am referring to is a pre Pure 2006 Style vegas clubs, one room, one DJ, dance floor, no tables etc.

    Bottle service does not compromise the experience of GA crowds. There is no yield management strategy that can work without it. Rent ain't cheap.

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    • #32
      I disagree. Plenty of ways to fill a club with ticket sales and drinks sales while eliminating the big cost which is huge DJ costs.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
        I disagree. Plenty of ways to fill a club with ticket sales and drinks sales while eliminating the big cost which is huge DJ costs.
        i feel like that defeats the purpose of a "vegas nightclub" might as well stay in your hometown and go to local clubs for what you want. Vegas does everything in excess and its supposed to be a different experience than anything you can get back at home. That's why people come.
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        • #34
          I don't think so. For many it is a holiday and they don't have time or want to party in their hometown. Lots of people come from small towns which don't have clubs or bars. Not saying there is not a need or demand for high end clubs in Vegas for sure there is. There is also a large market not being served in Vegas and I feel a club type as I mentioned would do well. Not saying all Vegas clubs need to this format.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
            I don't think so. For many it is a holiday and they don't have time or want to party in their hometown. Lots of people come from small towns which don't have clubs or bars. Not saying there is not a need or demand for high end clubs in Vegas for sure there is. There is also a large market not being served in Vegas and I feel a club type as I mentioned would do well. Not saying all Vegas clubs need to this format.
            How is the experience of GA crowds harmed by table service?

            I get having a lower price option, but I don't see the point of eliminating tables.

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            • #36
              I have been doing bottle service in Vegas since 2005. I love it.

              However, one of the biggest complaints people I know who want to go to Vegas but don't want to fork out for bottles is:

              The tables and the people sitting at them force the bouncers to constantly move people around. You literally cant stand without a bouncer shoving you around. Also, for groups of 3 etc they dont want to spend 1500 plus tax on bottles. They don't mind spend a few hundred each but with a small group the price does not justify the experience.

              Clubs existed and did well before table service.

              Yes I agree the top clubs need it like Hakkasan and Omnia etc.

              But again I do feel there is a market for mid level traditional nightclubs without bottle service but that do sell tickets (100m and 50 female) for VIP entry and not be herded around the club like cattle.


              Myself I will throw down whatever a night per person for bottles I could care less. I have had some friends who want to come to Vegas but there may only be three of us and I am the only one wanting to thrown down $500 each. They are fine with spending $100 on a ticket and and $100 on drinks etc but then they don't want to deal with the hassle of no table in a club full of them.



              A old school club at a nice hotel with a big dance floor and marketed as a proper club.

              On a side note most Vegas clubs now have turned into a sausage fest anyways.


              With pre sale tickets and the need to cover DJ costs they let in everyone now and sell tables to all guys.

              I was at WET this past summer no joke was a man soup in the pool!!!!





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              • #37
                So... let me get this straight: you want a club with no tables, that is cheap and exclusive (as in: don't let any dude in so the gender ratio is decent).

                If that is the case, here is why it cannot work:
                1) Instagram: people (especially girls) don't want to look cheap on Instagram. They want to look awesome. They won't go to a club if they can't brag about it being exclusive and extraordinary. That's why presentations have become so important. Because people care about looking awesome (even if they have maxed out their credit cards to do it, and puked everything they've had to drink because they can't handle more than two shots).
                2) High heels. Girls like to doll up and wear the fewest amount of fabric (they think) they can pull off. It doesn't matter how ridiculous they might look. The outfit includes high heels, no matter how ridiculous they look trying to walk in 10 inch stilettos. But heels hurt - a lot! So girls want a place to sit. Will they go a to a club where they have no chance of getting a table, buying a table, or being invited to a table? Probably not.
                3) Testosterone. Guys like girls. Guys really like girls in high heels.

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                • #38
                  I agree with everything Shamrock said.

                  In the world of social status and social relevance... people want to be seen to be important or exclusive or awesome.

                  I personally hate it.. but its the way of the world.

                  Whilst i agree the clubs have let ratios slip... there is increased emphasis on security and hosts to get the girls from the promoters. This is getting harder and harder.

                  This is why having presentations/stage tables next to the DJ

                  I dont think Vegas is the place for a "traditional non bottles club" you might as well hit up a bar.

                  I am hoping there is more consolidation and less choice moving forward which will improve the overall ratios/exclusivity etc.

                  At the moment.. too many clubs... not enogh people

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                  • #39
                    Has anyone been to Chateau recently? I had a lot of good times there, and am curious what it's like?

                    Also, how is Apex doing? According to their site I don't see any events planned there from January.

                    How much of a club is a the new Supper Club?

                    Drais after hours is still alive and kicking?
                    Last edited by e_m; 11-24-2019, 02:26 PM.

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                    • #40
                      1) Clubs will continue to shrink in numbers with only 3-4 mega clubs still existing, which is completely fine
                      2) Still plenty of tables being bought on the weekends, with summer still a packed experience
                      3) Yes the ratios are off but it is still not hard finding non-IG girls who are there to have a great time.
                      4) Use your pre-club time to find other girls. Honestly, having a conversation during the day, easily leds to a girl or 3 on your arm as you walk into the club.
                      5) The lounges will provide the more non table service club experience. Several of them have djs now and cater to that crowd
                      6) Very interested to see how the supper clubs transition from dinner entertainment to more of a club atmopshere.
                      7) While I would love to see cost go down, the experience is still top notch if you take care of your hostess, runner and security. Be a good person, be respectful and tip well. It is not hard.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by sehayes View Post
                        1) Clubs will continue to shrink in numbers with only 3-4 mega clubs still existing, which is completely fine
                        2) Still plenty of tables being bought on the weekends, with summer still a packed experience
                        3) Yes the ratios are off but it is still not hard finding non-IG girls who are there to have a great time.
                        4) Use your pre-club time to find other girls. Honestly, having a conversation during the day, easily leds to a girl or 3 on your arm as you walk into the club.
                        5) The lounges will provide the more non table service club experience. Several of them have djs now and cater to that crowd
                        6) Very interested to see how the supper clubs transition from dinner entertainment to more of a club atmopshere.
                        7) While I would love to see cost go down, the experience is still top notch if you take care of your hostess, runner and security. Be a good person, be respectful and tip well. It is not hard.

                        I agree with pretty much everything!

                        It's a lot easier to pick up girls during the day and early evening (at a pool, bar, day club, casino, or restaurant) than at a nightclub.

                        The traditional nightclubs will make a comeback if they start treating customers as such. It's surprising to me how little clubs invest in loyalty marketing, among other things.

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                        • #42
                          The whole IG girl thing is blown out of proportion in my opinion. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that guys always want to go for that type, the "hottest: girls because they have bottle service and want to look good and ignore all the "normal" looking women. I have plenty of people who come to town, from this forum and they get laid regularly here because they don't overshoot and they pick girls/guys who are outgoing and having a good time.
                          I also have people who spend decent mins and bring hot girls over but the girls are just more interested in taking videos and pictures.
                          Then you have the guys who spend A LOT of money and they have and fuck the ig models. That is just the way it works now.

                          Simply put, at this point in time and how nightlife works 99% those insanely hot girls already have a contact at the venue that will sit them somewhere so you are shit out of luck.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by DeX View Post
                            The whole IG girl thing is blown out of proportion in my opinion. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that guys always want to go for that type, the "hottest: girls because they have bottle service and want to look good and ignore all the "normal" looking women. I have plenty of people who come to town, from this forum and they get laid regularly here because they don't overshoot and they pick girls/guys who are outgoing and having a good time.
                            I also have people who spend decent mins and bring hot girls over but the girls are just more interested in taking videos and pictures.
                            Then you have the guys who spend A LOT of money and they have and fuck the ig models. That is just the way it works now.

                            Simply put, at this point in time and how nightlife works 99% those insanely hot girls already have a contact at the venue that will sit them somewhere so you are shit out of luck.
                            Agreed. There aren't that many actual IG girls, and they are easy to spot. Many of them may not even be actual Instagram girls paid to be there, but rather off duty cocktail waitresses brought in on slow days/nights (and often escorted directly to cabanas to entertain, drain some alcohol, and occasionally more...).
                            It's not hard to identify the out-of-town, non-IG, non-industry girls who are looking to have a great time without ulterior motives. My friends and I almost always manage to have a great time with random girls we meet at pool parties: it doesn't mean we always get laid, but we usually have fun and often end up going out with the same girls in the evening after the pool party.
                            And there is always a shortcut available to those who have a good table but are less sociable: couple hundred $ for a "shredder" who walks the line and picks cute girls to bring straight to the table.

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                            • #44
                              Man Dex, the overshooting part is spot on. To many guys who are focused on making sure they get the hottest girl in the club and missing out on the real fun.

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                              • #45
                                I always aim low when in Vegas and I never have a dry trip 🤷🏻*♂️

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