Racism

[ricky_clemons]

Wow thats insane. I had heard that they kicked Jazzy off stage but thought it might have been for a real problem not because he was playin hip hop. BBQ is always my first stop when I get there, damn its good. I hope they called your buddy sir and not senor(sr)

I was there the night that they kicked Jazzy Jeff off stage. It wasn't because he was playing hip hop. That's insane. It was because his management was told that he would have to turn the volume down after a certain time (to understand, Power and light is basically a big courtyard with bars/clubs circling it on two levels and Jeff was playing in the courtyard area). His management refused and became belligerent throwing around the race card.

P&L had a lot of issues early and I do think there was some profiling. But, they've long made the dress code clear and I've never seen somebody in flip flops get in who wasn't in long before they put the security points in at night. Unfortunatley, people are always going to get denied and it gets called racially motivated too often. Sometimes it is, no question. But I don't think it happens all that much.

Kind of surprised by KC2Vegas' comments. I've lived in the greater KC area for almost 20 years now and have never felt any kind of tension. Only time I can remember it being really bad was when Westport had the issues in the late 90's/early 2000's of underrage (and predominately black which seemed to be the issue for bar owners patrons --SMH--) kids hanging out after hours. The brilliant solution, floodlights and blaring country music outside after a certain time. Disgusting.

But, I'm a white guy and having been in a group that doesn't get profiled too much, I can't place myself in somebody else's shoes.

Back to the original topic. I've definitely seen some behavior by guys letting folks into clubs that I thought was racist.

Don't even get me started on the infamous All-Star game weekend in Vegas. I was there. It was bad in areas. But, if it wouldn't have been for the overwhelming "Oh my God, there's lots of dangerous black people on the streets" vibe from way too many people in charge, things would have gone much, much smoother.

[KC2Vegas]

I was there the night that they kicked Jazzy Jeff off stage. It wasn't because he was playing hip hop. That's insane. It was because his management was told that he would have to turn the volume down after a certain time (to understand, Power and light is basically a big courtyard with bars/clubs circling it on two levels and Jeff was playing in the courtyard area). His management refused and became belligerent throwing around the race card.

P&L had a lot of issues early and I do think there was some profiling. But, they've long made the dress code clear and I've never seen somebody in flip flops get in who wasn't in long before they put the security points in at night. Unfortunatley, people are always going to get denied and it gets called racially motivated too often. Sometimes it is, no question. But I don't think it happens all that much.

Kind of surprised by KC2Vegas' comments. I've lived in the greater KC area for almost 20 years now and have never felt any kind of tension. Only time I can remember it being really bad was when Westport had the issues in the late 90's/early 2000's of underrage (and predominately black which seemed to be the issue for bar owners patrons --SMH--) kids hanging out after hours. The brilliant solution, floodlights and blaring country music outside after a certain time. Disgusting.

But, I'm a white guy and having been in a group that doesn't get profiled too much, I can't place myself in somebody else's shoes.

Back to the original topic. I've definitely seen some behavior by guys letting folks into clubs that I thought was racist.

Don't even get me started on the infamous All-Star game weekend in Vegas. I was there. It was bad in areas. But, if it wouldn't have been for the overwhelming "Oh my God, there's lots of dangerous black people on the streets" vibe from way too many people in charge, things would have gone much, much smoother.

Well I know there is two sides of the story and we will never know the truth. I was not there I just seen it blown up on the news. Did you know they have changed the dress code about 3 times since it has opened ? I understand you need a dress code but it needs to be enforced equally no matter age sex or race. Power and light is the best thing we have here as far as nightlife and they want to keep it like that which is completely understandable. Let me ask you this have you been to west port lately ? That place is all fu*ked up now. Like you say you might not see it but in my shoes I see it everyday.

btw not trying to argue with you just getting my point of view across.

[ricky_clemons]

Well I know there is two sides of the story and we will never know the truth. I was not there I just seen it blown up on the news. Did you know they have changed the dress code about 3 times since it has opened ? I understand you need a dress code but it needs to be enforced equally no matter age sex or race. Power and light is the best thing we have here as far as nightlife and they want to keep it like that which is completely understandable. Let me ask you this have you been to west port lately ? That place is all fu*ked up now. Like you say you might not see it but in my shoes I see it everyday.

btw not trying to argue with you just getting my point of view across.

Yep, tough for me to see from another's shoes I've never been in before shoes. That's why I was careful. I think we agree on most things.

Westport. A shame. I'm getting a little older so I probably wouldn't hang there much anyway. But I still like to eat at McCoy's from time to time and will always love Kelly's, but Westport blows at this point. Shame, but it wasn't a surprise to see it go downhill with the opening of P&L.

Agree, P&L needs to get a dress code and stick to it.

[tangoplus]

As much as I hate to say it, this wouldn't surprise me when it comes to the larger groups like that. Racism, to some degree, plays just as big a part in Vegas nightlife as it does in everyday life.

No doorman is going to ever say "Hmmm, I'm not going to let black people in tonight," but I've definitely seen groups have to wait longer...and even had doormen be dicks to black people in my group by being harder on their dresscode or claiming that they had fake IDs. Which was definitely sucky on their part.

Discrimination is more blatant though. How long do you think a group of older, or overweight people would have to wait in line? And on that note, just to play devil's advocate to the conversation, how likely would you be to go back to a club if it were a little too heavy on the heavies? And, if less likely, does that make you as bad as the doormen?

actually, we can even back up a little from there.... and ask how everyone feels about entering a club that is predominently one race?

i think i read somewhere on here, where an asian poster did not have fun in a club, because the clients were pre-dominently asian.

[Drew]

I prefer to have a club filled with girls that look like tangoplus and then me as the only guy.

[tangoplus]

I prefer to have a club filled with girls that look like tangoplus and then me as the only guy.

lol

what if you were really the only guy in the whole club

[Guest]

Hmmm well I guess it really depends if those indian chicks shaved their arm pits or not that night.

[SunFire]

Hmmm well I guess it really depends if those indian chicks shaved their arm pits or not that night.

+1 Yes this is a very important issue and such views could not only ruin the night but could also make you go blind!!

[SunFire]

lol

what if you were really the only guy in the whole club

Trust me it wouldn't be that bad being the only guy it's just like a gurantee that your gonna have a good night.... I think finally girls would start buying that guy drinks

[BarrelO]

actually, we can even back up a little from there.... and ask how everyone feels about entering a club that is predominently one race?

i think i read somewhere on here, where an asian poster did not have fun in a club, because the clients were pre-dominently asian.

Interesting question. The thing is, race is both a social and a cultural construct. You can choose which cultural tradition you choose to identify with, but you can't actually pass for another race. Like, you can be white and choose to identify with hip-hop culture. Or you can be an oreo or a twinkie (for lack of a better term). But at the end of the day, you're still white or black or Asian. We've made a lot of progress toward a more color-blind society, but race does have a non-trivial effect on how you're treated and how you perceive things. In fact, a lot of the time, trying to assimilate culturally can enhance one's sense of otherness and alienation.

Vegas nightlife caters mainly toward white culture, so it makes sense that most of the people here are attuned to that wavelength. I'm white as can be, so I definitely feel more comfortable in a white cultural environment. My personal preference is to have a nice mix of races. But at the same time, if I went to a place that was predominantly or even exclusively white, I probably wouldn't bat an eye. For the minorities on this site, I suspect it'd be different. They may not have a problem with being around mostly white people, but at the same time, they'd probably prefer to not be the only non-white person at the club.

[Guest]

+1 Yes this is a very important issue and such views could not only ruin the night but could also make you go blind!!

how are the indian chicks in Surrey like?

[NyCzDoLL]

i have never noticed racism in vegas either...i agree w/ Dnix, they pick ppl out of the lines all the time, its all about attitude/personality.....
im from Pakistan and have gone to Vegas w/ a few of my Indian friends and thats never happened to any of us....i have come across racist door staff here in NYC and Miami but never in vegas...

[NyCzDoLL]

Hmmm well I guess it really depends if those indian chicks shaved their arm pits or not that night.

ahahahahahahah

[NyCzDoLL]

everyone should just roll w/ me...i always shave my pitts..

[NyCzDoLL]

I prefer to have a club filled with girls that look like tangoplus and then me as the only guy.

i prefer a club filled with bobby lookalikes